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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re more committed to ODF than ever: SA government</title>
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		<title>By: GB</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-508754</link>
		<dc:creator>GB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just visited www.info.gov.za now (27 Jan 2009, between 20:30 and 21:00), I was amused that I could not find ONE document available for download in ODF format (unless I missed one, or maybe I&#039;m missing some subtle point?).

All downloads were PDF only. I refer to rob&#039;s point - conversion to ODF is not that difficult, and there should be some progress by now even for institutions as large an unwieldy as the government.

The National Archives of Australia have created Xena (http://xena.sourceforge.net/) to tackle conversions for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just visited <a href="http://www.info.gov.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.info.gov.za</a> now (27 Jan 2009, between 20:30 and 21:00), I was amused that I could not find ONE document available for download in ODF format (unless I missed one, or maybe I&#8217;m missing some subtle point?).</p>
<p>All downloads were PDF only. I refer to rob&#8217;s point &#8211; conversion to ODF is not that difficult, and there should be some progress by now even for institutions as large an unwieldy as the government.</p>
<p>The National Archives of Australia have created Xena (<a href="http://xena.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://xena.sourceforge.net/</a>) to tackle conversions for them.</p>
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		<title>By: GNUguy</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-399603</link>
		<dc:creator>GNUguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No chance of using Microsoft&#039;s spell check. I haven&#039;t used any Office product for several years now. It&#039;s always OpenOffice for me and I encourage everyone that I know to switch.

Rest assured that I am very sorry for the gender over-sight. My humble apologies. And thank you for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No chance of using Microsoft&#8217;s spell check. I haven&#8217;t used any Office product for several years now. It&#8217;s always OpenOffice for me and I encourage everyone that I know to switch.</p>
<p>Rest assured that I am very sorry for the gender over-sight. My humble apologies. And thank you for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-399435</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GNUguy: the Minister is of the female gender... I&#039;m sure she&#039;ll nevertheless forgive you, if you stop using an American spell-checker (what&#039;s the chances of it being Microsoft&#039;s proprietary one in Word?) before posting your commentary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GNUguy: the Minister is of the female gender&#8230; I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;ll nevertheless forgive you, if you stop using an American spell-checker (what&#8217;s the chances of it being Microsoft&#8217;s proprietary one in Word?) before posting your commentary&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Boycott Novell &#187; Does Microsoft Try to Conquer ODF to Sell Microsoft Office?</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-396502</link>
		<dc:creator>Boycott Novell &#187; Does Microsoft Try to Conquer ODF to Sell Microsoft Office?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to Tectonic, which is based in South Africa, the government there is &#8220;more committed to ODF than ever.&#8221; It&#8217;s worth remembering [cref the tricks that Microsoft and its lobbyists tried to pull there, without success. In fact, South Africa filed a complaint shortly afterwards.  Open standards are critical in ensuring that the South African government both avoids vendor lock-in and promotes democracy. This is according to South Africa’s minister of home affairs, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to Tectonic, which is based in South Africa, the government there is &#8220;more committed to ODF than ever.&#8221; It&#8217;s worth remembering [cref the tricks that Microsoft and its lobbyists tried to pull there, without success. In fact, South Africa filed a complaint shortly afterwards.  Open standards are critical in ensuring that the South African government both avoids vendor lock-in and promotes democracy. This is according to South Africa’s minister of home affairs, Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GNUguy</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-396456</link>
		<dc:creator>GNUguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must compliment Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. His comments impress me as very clear and assertive. His example of the tsunami disaster effectively makes the point for consistency between government systems. What better solution for this than free open source software and GNULinux, an effort that is not profit motivated or constrained by some company&#039;s  licensing and thus crosses borders with ease. 

As to the purpose of the conference relative to making progress implementing ODF, the conference is very important. The countries that have stood against OOXML and the all too easily corrupted process of I$O should hopefully be energized to stand against Microsoft. We have all seen first-hand how unethical Microsoft and certain elected/appointed officials are.  This conference is a way for the countries and people that resisted to network and provide encouragement to others to resist the influence of Microsoft. 

Talk people. Collaborate. Share knowledge. Support one another. 

Using MS&#039;s products is short-term thinking. It&#039;s very simply pay them now AND later or, if you don&#039;t pay them now, you&#039;ll pay even more later. There is no negotiating with them once they&#039;ve established themselves within your infrastructure. Then you&#039;ll also be subject to MS&#039;s interpretation of standards and their idea of quality software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must compliment Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula. His comments impress me as very clear and assertive. His example of the tsunami disaster effectively makes the point for consistency between government systems. What better solution for this than free open source software and GNULinux, an effort that is not profit motivated or constrained by some company&#8217;s  licensing and thus crosses borders with ease. </p>
<p>As to the purpose of the conference relative to making progress implementing ODF, the conference is very important. The countries that have stood against OOXML and the all too easily corrupted process of I$O should hopefully be energized to stand against Microsoft. We have all seen first-hand how unethical Microsoft and certain elected/appointed officials are.  This conference is a way for the countries and people that resisted to network and provide encouragement to others to resist the influence of Microsoft. </p>
<p>Talk people. Collaborate. Share knowledge. Support one another. </p>
<p>Using MS&#8217;s products is short-term thinking. It&#8217;s very simply pay them now AND later or, if you don&#8217;t pay them now, you&#8217;ll pay even more later. There is no negotiating with them once they&#8217;ve established themselves within your infrastructure. Then you&#8217;ll also be subject to MS&#8217;s interpretation of standards and their idea of quality software.</p>
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		<title>By: Open document interchange &#124; Israeli Software</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-396409</link>
		<dc:creator>Open document interchange &#124; Israeli Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I read today that the South African government is more committed to ODF than ever. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I read today that the South African government is more committed to ODF than ever. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Liebmerman</title>
		<link>http://www.tectonic.co.za/2008/10/were-more-committed-to-odf-than-ever-sa-government/comment-page-1/#comment-396408</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Liebmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has been involved with open source since 1998 - I can say that endorsement of ODF by the South African government would never have happened if Open Office had not reached it&#039;s current level of maturity.

Microsoft in South Africa is a powerful competitor for government business but I believe - knowing a bit about what&#039;s happening inside the government, is that this is more of an economic than a document interchange issue.

Note that the Rand has depreciated from 7 to almost 12 on the US Dollar since last June.   The act of adopting ODF is also an endorsement for Open Office and perhaps even Ubuntu - both excellent, free Open Source products..

Danny Lieberman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has been involved with open source since 1998 &#8211; I can say that endorsement of ODF by the South African government would never have happened if Open Office had not reached it&#8217;s current level of maturity.</p>
<p>Microsoft in South Africa is a powerful competitor for government business but I believe &#8211; knowing a bit about what&#8217;s happening inside the government, is that this is more of an economic than a document interchange issue.</p>
<p>Note that the Rand has depreciated from 7 to almost 12 on the US Dollar since last June.   The act of adopting ODF is also an endorsement for Open Office and perhaps even Ubuntu &#8211; both excellent, free Open Source products..</p>
<p>Danny Lieberman</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair points, it never ceases to amaze me how the simplist tech things get so difficult when you deal with big organisations and/or standards. 

However I think that the initial question (what has been the progress) is worth asking since this (Tectonic Oct24 2007) is &quot;the time line of the MIOS document’s implementation. It entails four steps:

1. Ensuring all people working in government departments can view ODF documents. This will likely be done through the use of converters and will be completed by March 2008.

2. To supply all government published government documents in ODF or other non-proprietary formats. Although he did not specify a date, he aimed for this to be completed by the end of 2008.

3. All internal government documents to be produced as ODF. This is not likely to be completed within the next year, but should be done by March 2009.

4. The final phase would see the conversion of all legacy documents to ODF or other non-proprietary formats.&quot;

Nice to know if it is still on track since even this is stll behind the target dates sent to the DGs by SITA (still on the SITA site in tif format!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair points, it never ceases to amaze me how the simplist tech things get so difficult when you deal with big organisations and/or standards. </p>
<p>However I think that the initial question (what has been the progress) is worth asking since this (Tectonic Oct24 2007) is &#8220;the time line of the MIOS document’s implementation. It entails four steps:</p>
<p>1. Ensuring all people working in government departments can view ODF documents. This will likely be done through the use of converters and will be completed by March 2008.</p>
<p>2. To supply all government published government documents in ODF or other non-proprietary formats. Although he did not specify a date, he aimed for this to be completed by the end of 2008.</p>
<p>3. All internal government documents to be produced as ODF. This is not likely to be completed within the next year, but should be done by March 2009.</p>
<p>4. The final phase would see the conversion of all legacy documents to ODF or other non-proprietary formats.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice to know if it is still on track since even this is stll behind the target dates sent to the DGs by SITA (still on the SITA site in tif format!)</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rob: 
I don&#039;t want to speak for government but I do believe they are making good progress on this. I also don&#039;t think that it as easy as you make out. It should be, agreed, but we&#039;re talking about a huge organisation that is difficult to shift into a new direction.

There are people within government that have done an enormous amount of work to get to even this point. We all wish it was easier, but it&#039;s not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rob:<br />
I don&#8217;t want to speak for government but I do believe they are making good progress on this. I also don&#8217;t think that it as easy as you make out. It should be, agreed, but we&#8217;re talking about a huge organisation that is difficult to shift into a new direction.</p>
<p>There are people within government that have done an enormous amount of work to get to even this point. We all wish it was easier, but it&#8217;s not.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are the stats on the progress that the government is making on this. 

Converting to ODF is not hard - just load the SUN ODF plugin into Word and then save your docs as .ODF (in fact set that as your default). Then include the link http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp whenever you send out your documents

But hey where is the political capital it that - why not have a conference and make some noise instead of actually doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are the stats on the progress that the government is making on this. </p>
<p>Converting to ODF is not hard &#8211; just load the SUN ODF plugin into Word and then save your docs as .ODF (in fact set that as your default). Then include the link <a href="http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun.com/software/star/odf_plugin/index.jsp</a> whenever you send out your documents</p>
<p>But hey where is the political capital it that &#8211; why not have a conference and make some noise instead of actually doing it.</p>
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